Friday, September 30, 2011

Uncensored History Of The Blues

A look at some of the women in famous Hoodoo-themed Blues songs.

Show 41 - Hoodoo Women

Thursday, September 29, 2011

St. Jude

St. Jude is an official Catholic saint, the patron saint of lost causes. St. Jude is traditionally the saint to turn to when all other options have failed and where one is desperate and in need of a miracle. For images of St. Jude click HERE.

In life, St. Jude was a relative of Jesus and was a member of the twelve apostles. Not many details are know of the life of St. Jude, only that he travelled extensively in the Middle East. St. Jude was the one who asked Jesus in John 14:22 why he didn't reveal himself to the world after resurrection. St. Jude played a major role in bringing Christianity to Armenia and was martyred in in Persia in 65 A.D.

In Iconography St. Jude is portrayed dressed in white and wearing a beautiful green robe. Above his head is the flame of the Holy Spirit. Around his neck he wears the holy image of Jesus that brings great miracles in healing. St. Jude is also portrayed with either a club, an axe, or arrows, as these were the alleged implements used to take his life. St. Jude may also be pictured with a palm frond which signifies his martyrdom.

In Hoodoo and folk magic, St. Jude is invoked for help in desperate situations and miracle healings. Remember that in Hoodoo and folk magic the saints are who they are, meaning that unlike with various African Traditional Religion such as Voodou and Santeria, the saints in Hoodoo and folk magic are not masks for an African deity or spirit. Instead, the saints are blessed souls of the dead who have agreed to intercede on behalf of the living.

Tips For Working With St. Jude

1.) St. Jude is NOT Judas Iscariot. St. Jude suffers greatly from people confusing him with the betrayer of Christ. Because so many people false confuse him for Judas Iscariot it's important to make one's vow to place a newspaper advertisement thanking St. Jude for his aid, so as to spread his fame and counter the negativity.
2.) St. Jude's colors are green, white, and red.
3.) St. Jude's numbers when offering him small items are one or three.
4.) St. Jude's day of the week is Sunday.
5.) St. Jude's feast day is October 28.
6.) St. Jude is a "cool spirit", meaning he is loving and kind and is slow to anger. St. Jude is very forgiving and will generally tolerate delays in fulfilling one's vow or promise to him, though one shouldn't invoke his aid in any further matters until one fulfills one's prior vow first.
7.) When St. Jude works he tends to either work immediately or he takes his time and may not work until almost the last minute. I've literally had times where St. Jude worked for me on day two of the novena.
8.) St. Jude is somewhat dim-witted because he had his head bashed in with a club or axe. As such, and similar to St. Expedite, one will need to be very specific when petitioning him. Make sure to properly and specifically word the petition or else St. Jude may become confused.
9.) St. Jude cannot be used in black magic and he is too loving and kind to destroy one's enemies. He can be used to call upon protection against one's enemies. When doing such St. Jude, in my experience, seems to act to confuse their minds, make them "dopey", make them act "goofy" where they can't think straight. St. Jude will not do any bodily harm to people.
10.) St. Jude's favorite offerings are water, candles, incense, coins, and flowers. In my experience he rarely if ever takes food or other types of drink.
11.) To petition St. Jude one will need an image of him, either a statue or a picture of him. If one is using a novena candle then this is not necessary. One will need a green or white candle, again if one is using a novena then an additional candle is not necessary. One will need St. Jude, Holy Oil, or Olive Oil, St. Jude or Frankincense Incense, a glass of water and a coin, preferably a shiny new penny. Cleanse the workspace with Florida Water, rubbing alcohol, or whisky, prior to setting up the space. Fix the candle and set it down. Light it and the incense. Place a glass of water for the saint down and then place the coin in front of the candle. One will then either pray from the heart or pray a standard pray such as the one below:

"Most Holy Apostle St. Jude, Faithful Servant And Friend Of Jesus. I Am So Helpless And Alone. I Implore You To Bring Visible And Speedy Help And Come To My Assistance In This Great Need. I Will Be Ever Mindful Of This Great Favor, To Always Honor You As My Special And Powerful Patron. (State Petition And One's Vow) Amen."

You will pray this daily for 9 days.
12.) The most common vow made to St. Jude is either the taking an ad out in the newspaper to spread his fame or the giving of money to charity.
13.) At the end of the 9 days and after the candle has extinguished itself then one can place the left-over items into the empty novena candle glass and take it to the crossroads and then walk away and don't look back.
14.) If St. Jude grants your request then you need to fulfill your end of the bargain and honor your vow. St. Jude is slow to anger so if there are delays in fulfilling your vow he will most likely be forgiving.
15.) If St. Jude works for you then you should tell at least one other person to help spread his fame.

St. Jude Thaddaeus

St. Jude Biography

Old Style Conjure - Saint Jude

Saint Jude

Thank You St. Jude!

Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Sprinkling Salts

Sprinkling Salts is an alternative form of condition sachet powder used in the practice of Hoodoo in which salt is substituted for the talcum powder or cornstarch base. Powdered herbs, oils, or other items are then added to the mixture. If preferred, the salt can be dyed based on magical color symbolism. Sprinkling Salts are deployed in the exact same manner as sachet powders, though generally they are not applied to the body. Sprinkling Salts can be sprinkled in the shoes, however. Sprinkling Salts can also be used as bath salts for spiritual baths.

Quick Recipe For John The Conqueror Sprinkling Salts

Items Needed:

- 1 John The Conqueror Root
- Salt (Table or Sea Salt)
- Bowl And Spoon
- Red And Blue Food Coloring
- John The Conqueror Oil (Optional)
- Hammer And Towel
- Empty Container With Lid


Take the John the Conqueror root and wrap it in the towel. Take this outside and set on the ground and use the hammer to smash it into small pieces and powder it if possible. Set this aside. Into the bowl take the salt and the food coloring. Use enough food coloring to dye it a nice purple color but avoid wetting the salt too much. If preferred, add a few drops of John the Conqueror Oil to scent. Add the small pieces of John the Conqueror Root or the powdered root and mix well with a spoon. Spoon the mixture into a container. Seal and label the container.

Tuesday, September 27, 2011

Jack Ball

A Jack Ball is a small round ball containing a core of items, usually roots, herbs, stones, and a personal concern, all rolled together in wax, that is wrapped in red string with enough string left so that it can be held with the ball suspended. The creation and use of Jack Balls is a practice associated with Hoodoo/Rootwork/Conjure. By nature, a Jack Ball is a combination of mojo bag and pendulum. Jack Balls receive their name due to the similarity in appearance to the red ball used in the game of jacks. As for use, a Jack Ball is either used as a pendulum in order to divine answers to yes or no questions or is swung around by the practitioner in order to produce a magical effect. Like mojo bags, a Jack Ball must be fed regularly, usually with whiskey, perfume, or condition oils, and is usually kept in a red flannel bag until it is needed.

Examples of Jack Ball uses:

1.) John wants to know if Suzie will go out on a date with him. He takes out his Jack Ball and uses it as a pendulum. The Jack Ball sways vertically, which John interprets as meaning "yes".

2.) Darla has a Jack Ball for domination over her husband. From time to time as she deems necessary, she will lock herself in her room, take out her Jack Ball, and swing it around in a circle clockwise while speaking the name of her husband and stating phrases such as, "Franlin Russell Jefferson,You are under my power! Do you hear me? You will do what I say. I'm the one in control..."

In the YouTube clip beow, Carolina Dean has made a video on how to make a Jack Ball.

Jack Balls


"Love Me Or Die" Jack Ball Spell

Monday, September 26, 2011

Blessed Olive Oil

Blessed Olive Oil is the true "all purpose" oil used in Hoodoo/Rootwork/Conjure. The use of Blessed Olive Oil is ancient in the practice of Conjure and predates the use of condition oils. Below one can find a simple procedure for blessing olive oil.

How To Make Blessed Olive Oil

Items Needed:

- A Bottle Of Olive Oil (Any variety will suffice but certain practitioners prefer "virgin" or "extra-virgin" due to it's connotations with purity.)
- Salt [Optional] (Any salt will suffice but many practitioners prefer Kosher salt as it's believed to be more "holy")


Starting on a Sunday, Remove the bottle cap. If one prefers, a pinch of salt can be added to the bottle. One then will pray over the bottle the Psalm 23. Place the cap back on the bottle and put it in a dark place. Repeat this every day for a total of 7 days.

For a more complicated method that comes from one of Harry Middleton Hyatt's informants, follow the information below.

Items Needed:

- Olive Oil
- Salt
- Bowl
- White Sheet
- Funnel (optional)
- Bottle or Container (If one doesn't want to use the same bottle the oil comes in.)


Starting on a Sunday, pour the olive oil into the bowl. Sprinkle a pinch of salt onto the oil. Take the white sheet and place it over your head so that it covers both you and the bowl. When you are concealed, bring the bowl up to your mouth and pray Psalm 23 over it, so that your breath falls upon it. When you are done, remove the white sheet and use it to cover the bowl. Place the covered bowl in a dark place. You will repeat this process for a total of 7 days. After the 7 days is complete, use the funnel to re-bottle the oil.

Friday, September 23, 2011

Happy Autumn Equinox!

Today, September 23, 2011, is the Autumn Equinox. On this day there will be equal amounts of day and night, or light and darkness. Starting tomorrow the night or darkness will grow longer until the Winter Solstice. Summer is officially over and Autumn has begun!

Wishing everyone a wonderful Autumn!

Hoodoo & Almanacs

Hardy Jackson has an interesting take on the prevalence of Hoodoo and alternative spirituality among buyers of almanacs.

Hardy Jackson: Almanacs and alternatives

Thursday, September 22, 2011

Enemy Work

Enemy Work is the term used for magic that is used against one's enemies. The term is most often found in the slang of practitioners of Hoodoo.

Enemy work can take the form of offensive Protection Spells, as compared to defensive protection spells, reversing spells, banishing spells, binding spells, confusion spells, break-up spells, and even vengeance spells. Enemy work is usually considered justified unless it is motivated from jealousy, paranoia, or intense hatred of a person. Despite what Wiccans and certain other types of magical practitioners may claim, the use of justified enemy work will not automatically come back upon the person who cast the spell.

Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Chicken Feet

Dried Chicken Feet are used in the practice of Hoodoo, as well as other magical traditions, for protection and for enemy work. The feet are believed to be powerful protection against evil doers and are believed to work by magically "scratching" one's enemy. Many practitioners will use a chicken foot as part of an anti-theft spell which is usually hung in the open, such as from a rear-view mirror or above a door.. In such use the foot represents the threat of magical retaliation. In a nutshell, a chicken foot is a non-verbal means of communication by which a warning is sent to any would-be-thief that if they steal then they will be magically "f*cked up". Chicken Feet are usually used in pairs and placed in a "x" manner by crossing them. Chicken Feet can also be used alone as part of a charm, fetish, or for inclusion into a mojo bag.

Certain online sources indicate that Chicken Feet are used for good luck. Though this use is logical, based on the notion of the foot grasping luck and money, it is not traditional.

The most powerful Chicken Feet come from black-feathered fowls. For images of Chicken Feet, click HERE.

Note: Chicken Feet are not obtained via sacrifice. They are obtained via natural slaughter of chickens for food. The Chicken Feet that can be purchased at occult stores and other curio shops are usually provided by local farmers.

Monday, September 19, 2011

Book Review: The Magic Candle

The book is The Magic Candle: Facts And Fundamentals Of Ritual Candle-Burning by Charmain Dey.

Don't let appearances deceive you. This is more of a booklet, a mere 62 pages in length. Though it is very short, there is more useful information in it's pages than similar "candle magic" books that are a 100 pages plus. In this book the reader will learn the types of candles burned in magic and how to properly use them. Included in the book are sections on magical oils, incense, magical color correspondence, seals, and planetary tables. This book is great for individuals interesting in learning candle magic. The only downside of the book is that there are a few errors but I will not nitpick here.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest, I give the book a 9. I would definitely recommend that practitioners have a copy for their personal occult library.

Sunday, September 18, 2011

Book Review: Hoodoo Herb & Root Magic

The book is Hoodoo Herb & Root Magic: A Materia Magica Of African-American Conjure And Traditional Formulary Giving The Spiritual Uses Of Natural Herbs, Roots, Minerals, And Zoological Curios by Catherine Yronwode.

Hoodoo Herb & Root Magic is perhaps the best book on the market with regards to the magical uses of herbs, roots, and natural items, especially the use of such in the practice of Hoodoo or Conjure. The book is written in an encyclopedic fashion, with major herbs, roots, minerals, and animal parts having their own listings complete with official scientific names as well as suggested workings. Included are also black and white drawings of some of the herbs, roots, and other items. The bad things concerning the book are the spelling, grammar, and capitalization mistakes, which appear to be a trademark of the author. Additionally, there is much information that could have easily been included in this book but which for some reason was not. The individual listings could also easily have been expanded with additional uses and workings.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest, I give the book an 8. Hoodoo Herb & Root Magic is definitely a must-have for every practitioner of the magical arts. However, if you are outsider to magic or are looking for a scholarly work, you may be dissapointed.

Saturday, September 17, 2011

Book Review: Voodoo & Hoodoo

The book is Voodoo & Hoodoo: The Craft As Revealed By Traditional Practitioners by Jim Haskins.

This book brings back memories for me, as I first read it back in 1989 and was extremely embarrassed when I checked it out at the library. I had to hide it from my parents for fear they would catch me reading it. But there's always that thrill of excitement when you are sneaking something!

Don't let the title of the book fool you. There is nothing about Voodoo, the religion, in the pages. This book is almost entirely about the practice of Hoodoo, a.k.a. Conjure, Rootwork, etc. I say almost because there's a bit of the "Louisiana Voodoo" thrown in.

The book takes the reader on an interesting journey into the world of Hoodoo, from the African origins to the modern day practice. Included are various spells and workings. There are a few black and white photographs in the book and I have to say, there is a hilarious story of one picture. There is a picture of the African god Exu that is shown as a hand-made devil-doll with a rather large erection. This image can be found in the older or original copies. Newer releases have censored the image by removing the offensive phallus. But here's what's so funny, Just a couple of pages after the censored photograph is an advertisement for another Voodoo book that has a drawing of two crossed phalluses. I kid you not. It's hilarious. It's supposedly a Voodoo charm to make a man potent, but just the thought they would censor the photograph but keep the drawing is just mind boggling.

The good thing about the book is that it is a wonderful read. You will not be bored and the reader will learn a thing or two about the practice of Hoodoo. The only negative comment about the book is that it contains a few botanical errors, so please show caution when attempting to use the roots and herbs in the manner listed in the book.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with one being the lowest and 10 being the highest, I give this book a 10.

If you are interested in purchasing this book, try to purchase a copy of an older printing. The newer version has a very ugly cover. Older versions have a black background with the title in yellow, white, and orange, which is much more attractive. Additionally, by purchasing an older version you will receive an uncensored version of the photograph I touched on above.

Friday, September 16, 2011

Magic Is In The Air....

Yesterday felt like a wonderful fall day, though technically the Autumn Equinox isn't until September 23. It was overcast, a high in the upper 50s, with occasional bouts of lite rain. This was great weather considering less than a week ago the temperature was over a 100 degrees. The weather put me in a very Halloween-mood, so I began to put up decorations.

Magic was also in the air yesterday. I had the pleasure of having two workings I did manifest yesterday. One was a good work and the other was enemy work, against a corrupt person in a high position of power. All I can say on that is this evil, arrogant, corrupt man in power has now received his comeuppance. He wronged me greatly and now he will pay the price. Unfortunately he doesn't know anything about the magic stuff and will never know that it was I who had done work on him. Oh well, I finally got justice.

As if the day could not get any better, I also was able to go the State Fair. I had a blast and was able to ride several rides. My sides are even bruised from the jostling, but I don't regret it. In fact I'm hoping to be able to go back!

Thursday, September 15, 2011

Book Review: Black And White Magic Of Marie Laveau

The book is Black And White Magic Of Marie Laveau by Bivens N.P.D. This is a more of a booklet, being only 64 pages in length. The original book is old, dating to circa 1920. In fact, it is believed that Zora Neale Hurston plagiarized from Black And White Magic Of Marie Laveau for her book, Mules and Men. I won't be getting into that topic here, because it is definitely a topic that ruffles feathers. As for the author, the identity of "Bivens N.P.D." remains a mystery.

Despite the tile of the book, it is extremely doubtful that any of the spells or workings contained within the book have anything to do with Marie Laveau or even Voodoo for that matter. All of the workings contained in the book are examples of Hoodoo magical workings. Most people who purchase the book today will purchase a reprint or copy produced by International Imports, a.k.a. Indio/Wisdom products, as the original copyright has expired.

The good thing about this book is that much of the material in it can indeed be worked into a modern practice. Additionally there are sections on the use and meaning of playing cards, candle work, and lore on astrological sun signs. At the beginning of the book is an introduction on Spiritism. I would venture to write that most occultists would probably enjoy having a copy of this book in their collection. Beginners, or those disinterested in Hoodoo may not enjoy it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest, I give it a 5.

Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Working On Multiple People

When doing work on multiple people it's best to divide the people up into groups of say no more than three people.

For instance, let's say that 9 people owe me money. If were simply to do one spell to compel all 9 people to pay me then the energy of that spell will be weak, as it will be divided 9 ways.

Preferably I would try to do separate work on all 9 people, so that the work is strong. If I cannot do this for money or time reasons then I would break them up into three groups of three people each. Or four groups of two people and then one single person.

I know this may sound odd, but sooner or later practitioners will run into a situation where they will need to do work on multiple people and this information can come in handy.

Monday, September 12, 2011

Reminder: Stock Up On Black Candles

Now is the time of year to stock-up on black candles. As practitioners may be aware, many stores simply do not sell black candles outside of the Halloween season. Practitioners also might want to stock-up on orange candles and Halloween novelty or figural candles as well.

Sunday, September 11, 2011

I Almost Got Sprayed By A Skunk Last Night!

As I went for my evening walk last night a skunk came out of nowhere, stopped about 5ft in front of me and then quickly turned around, lifted it's tail, and aimed for me. LOL I immediately took off running.

Saturday, September 10, 2011

How To Make Cold Infused Herbs

Items Needed:

1 glass jar w/ lid
Herbs (Use 1, 3, 7, 9, or 13 combinations of herbs that are good for specific condition, such as for money, love, luck, protections, etc...)
Oil of your choice (vegetable, canola, olive, almond, mineral oil, etc...)
Color dyes (optional)
Vitamin E as a preservative (optional)
Masking Tape & Marker to label the oil, what kind of oil it is, what herbs were used, and the date.


Place the herbs in the jar. Top with just enough oil to cover the herbs. Secure the lid. Pray over the bottle and then place it in a cool, dark place. Once a day take it out and shake it up or stir it. Pray over it and put it back. After about a month to six weeks, take it out. If the oils smells nice go ahead and use it. If one wants a stronger oil, strain the oil, throw out the old herbs, and add new herbs and repeat the process. One can then add the vitamin e and colored dye if one wishes.

Friday, September 9, 2011

Tobacco Oil

Really easy to make...

Good for many different conditions. Also, when one is burning black candles and doesn't have access to other more specific condition oils, then this is the oil to use. Also good for "Indian Spirit Guide", "BlackHawk", communication spells, and domination spells.

Items Needed:

Any Tobacco
Glass Jar
Carrier Oil

Add a good portion of Tobacco to the jar. Fill with oil. Set the jar in a cool, dark place and leave for up to 6 weeks. If the oil doesn't start to turn brown, it's because you didn't use enough tobacco.

Thursday, September 8, 2011

Wal Mart Hoodoo

Guess what I picked up at the local Wal Mart.....

"Lucky Lottery" 7 Day Glass Vigil Candle
It's a "Lucky Lottery" 7 day glass vigil candle, a.k.a. "Hoodoo Candle".

I was completely shocked & pleased that Wal Mart carried it. Earlier this year Wal Mart began carrying the Catholic novena candles as well as plain color 7 day glass vigil candles.

Wednesday, September 7, 2011


My wildcrafting is almost done! I have about a dozen or so more select plants to get and I do think I will finish by the Autumn Equinox!

Now, the tricky part will be getting the Nettle, Thistle, and Spurge Nettle! (Very Prickly!)

Maple, Elm, Weeping Willow, Bur Oak, & Pine Needles

Crepe Myrtle, Lilac, Poke, Bindweed,
& Fox Grape

Magnolia, Mulberry, Horse Nettle, Peach Pitts,
Elm, Mimosa, White Oak, Fox Grape, Crepe Myrtle
& White Oak Bark

Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Grape Oil

Back in the 70s and 80s, Grape Oil was considered very good for gambling luck. The oil was usually artificially scented and not natural, but it still played off of the imagery of the grape vine and it's spirit of abundance and prosperity.

Grape Oil

Coincidentally, I just wild-crafted some Fox Grape (wild grape). I hope to get some pictures up of my finds shortly.

Monday, September 5, 2011

The Truth About Essential Oils

When it comes to using essential oils in magic, many people subscribe to the notion that only essential oils should be used. There's a slight problem. The problem is that most of what is sold as "essential oils" is not essential oils.

If you purchase essential oils from a company that sells a wide-variety for $4, $5, or $6 a bottle then you are most likely not buying true essential oils. Why? Because essential oils are expensive and the do not cost all the same. Some essential oils of plants may be inexpensive, at a few dollars a bottle, while other essential oils from plants may cost $20+ for a small vial. So what is going on?

The trick is that many shops are selling "blended oils" as being "essential oils". If you add oil or dilute an essential oil it is no longer an essential oil. It would be false advertising to sell a diluted essential oil as being an "essential oil", but most companies do just this.

In order to avoid false advertising, some shops will sell their false essential oils as "Essential Oils In Carrier", as in an essential oil that has been diluted in a carrier oil. However, many shops don't even do this much.

So the trick is to be smart. If a shop sells essential oils all at the same price then you are almost guaranteed it's not a true essential oil.

Sunday, September 4, 2011

Burning Test Candles

I just wanted to stress how important it is to burn test candles on one's workspace so that one knows how a candle will normally burn on a given workspace or altar. To do this, one will need to burn at the very least on 7 day glass candle and one stick or household candle on the workspace. These candles are just to let the practitioner know what is normal for the space they are being burned on.

Ideally one wants an altar or workspace to be even/level and draft free, but sometimes this can be difficult and one needs to burn test candles so that one has an idea of what is normal for that space. Otherwise, one will come into problems when trying to discern omens from the remaining wax or glass.

Saturday, September 3, 2011

Cleansing Candles Before Use

Candles should be cleansed before they are used. Here are some of the methods that I am aware of how one can cleanse candles.

-Florida Water (hold the candle and splash some on it and rub it around)
-Whiskey (same as Florida Water)
-Other Liquor (same as Florida Water)
-Rubbing Alcohol (use a cotton ball to rub them)
-Ammonia (dilute it in water, use a cotton ball to rub them)
-Vinegar (use cotton ball)
-Salt Water (dip them in saltwater or else let them sit in a tub of saltwater for a period of time)
-Soap & Water (just wash them as one would normally do it)
-Holding them under running water, such as a faucet

Use any method one prefers. I prefer Florida Water and Whisky, but will just as happily use salt water or soap and water if it's all I have.

Real old-time practitioners will use either Whisky, Liquor, or Rubbing Alcohol to cleanse candles. It's just up to you. Just make sure to let the candle thoroughly dry before using it, especially if one is using flammable stuff like alcohol.

Friday, September 2, 2011

Adding Herbs To Incense Powders

To make your incense powder more powerful, add herbs/roots/minerals or other items.

For example, If I was going to burn 7 Sisters Black Cat incense, I would first add some black cat hair, not a lot because the smell of burning hair is disgusting, and then thoroughly mix it in.

Now, I normally add either 1, 3, 7. 9, or 13 ingredients. Large amounts are not necessary, just a pinch will do.

This is in reference to the loose incense powders that are usually colored wood shavings with added fragrance. If you are using something like powdered sandalwood, frankincense, myrrh, and the like, then this tip is not necessary.

Thursday, September 1, 2011

Love Potion No. 9

Love Potion No. 9

Items Needed:

1 Decorative Bottle
Alcohol (Vodka, Red Wine, Or Your Choice)
Red Food Coloring (Optional)
Red Rose Petals
Red Clover
Hibiscus flower (dried)


Add a small pinch of each herb to the bottle. Add a couple drops of red food coloring if desired. Top with alcohol of your choice. Cap and shake well. Label and let sit for a month before use.

Note: If you can't find an herb you can substitute with any love herb of your choosing as long as it is safe to consume. Additionally, some people just like to brew the herbs up as a tea and use that instead.