Sunday, February 2, 2014

My, Oh, My! Fake Ass, Bull Shit "Voodoo"

So I was Googling and ran across this blog entry by Denise Alvarado. Denise was upset that yet another person had pointed out inconvenient facts about her so called practice. So Denise goes on the attack. You can read Denise's rant at the below link.

http://conjureart.blogspot.com/2013/10/open-letter-to-cat-yronwode-and-lucky.html

As my readers may know I've done countless blogs both here and on my other blog, The Demoniacal, that what is called New Orleans Voodoo, a.k.a. Louisiana Voodoo, is a sham. It's not real. It's actually mutated hoodoo that has evolved into an "anything goes" pseudo-religion. It's nickname is "black Wicca", which is a misnomer as most of it's practitioners are white. New Orleans Voodoo is just a sad mixture of Wicca, New-Age and cherry-picked paganism. Practitioners freely take things from actual Voodoo, as well as Santeria and the like. They cook it all up like it was a big ol' cobbler and serve it as a valid tradition. It's just ain't and never will be. You can go as far back as Marie Laveau and it still isn't anything legit. As I've written before, Marie Laveau was never initiated into any African religion. She was taught hoodoo by Dr. John. You don't become a priestess in African religions without being initiated. What Marie Laveau did was performance art to draw in the tourists and get them to open their wallets. Nothing has changed in the centuries since her time.

Now, don't get me wrong. There are still workers and treaters in Louisiana. They've always been there. It's just the "Voodoo" nonsense is bull shit. Likewise, there are real legitimate practitioners who have been initiated into Haitian Voodoo, Santeria, and the like. It's just that they are outsiders who have come into the city and didn't arise there or they are natives who travel elsewhere to be initiated.

Here's a link to Cat Yronwode's segment on New Orleans Voodoo. Scroll down to you get to, "Hoodoo is not "New Orleans Voodoo."

http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

Now, I haven't been to Cat's site in a LONG time. It seems to me that she might have read some of my blog entries and decided to make some changes as this page does seem different from the last time I read it. Interesting.

Anyway, just keep that in mind the next time you hear from Denise Alvarado, Bloody Mary, and the like. New Orleans Voodoo is all fake bull shit. The magic they do is mutant hoodoo.

Note: I've written this before, but Hyatt recorded a lot of stuff from people from New Orleans. Not one ever spoke of Voodoo or a Voodoo Queen or any of that bull shit. Not one!


12 comments:

  1. Really appreciate your blogs on these fakes it is becoming impossible to tell who is genuine and who are the fakes

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    1. LOL...I do my best to let people know. I tolerated New Orleans Voodoo for so long but it's time the truth comes out. It's not a legitimate religion or tradition. And the people who promote it are fakes. There are more real Voodoo folk in Florida, and real Santeria folk in Florida and New York, than in New Orleans. That's a fact.

      What complicates matter is that not everyone who claims to be Voodoo is a fake. There are some workers who use the term Voodoo to describe their practice and usually out of ignorance. However, when you judge what they are doing they are legit hoodoo workers. For example, Lady Bishop calls what she does "Voodoo". She even has made some spurious claims of being initiated into Voodoo. However, if you judge her on what she does, it's all hoodoo and authentic hoodoo at that. So I cut her slack.

      Sister Angel Rose also uses the term "Voodoo" with regards to what she does. However, she too appears to be legit hoodoo. So I would cut her slack as well and would think her use of the term Voodoo stems from ignorance.

      Ava Kay Jones is a weird one. We conversed for a while back in the 90s. She's initiated in IFA. She also clams to be initiated into Voodoo but I really don't know if she is or not. However, the magic she does is straight up hoodoo, even calling upon God and Jesus to empower the work, with only the occassional invocation of an African spirit.

      Charles Gandolfo, well, I'm not so sure about him. He's either was ignorant or knowingly spread false information. For a while he even seemed to imply that hoodoo came from Voodoo, that New Orleans Voodoo was here first and then went underground and then mutated into hoodoo. That's of course would be total nonsense.

      It's really hard to distinguish the fakes from the legits. Trust me, even for me it can be hard. You have to take so many things into consideration and especially the company they keep. The fakes like to congregate together so if you discover one fake, then usually their associates are fakes too.

      My next blog entry will be about exposing another bull shit "tradition" as its time has also come to be exposed for what it is, a sham just like New Orleans Voodoo is a sham

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    2. Good, I look forward to it - it's about time someone had the guts to speak up and help save the rest of us our $'s and wasting time

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  3. Hey Doc,

    Again, loving your posts, especially this one, because you made a statement that is similar to other statements that I've read from other Hoodoo workers:

    "Practitioners freely take things from actual Voodoo, as well as Santeria and the like. They cook it all up like it was a big ol' cobbler and serve it as a valid tradition."

    Statements such as this are what confuse me, because is this not how Hoodoo was formed all those years ago? Did the early practitioners not "freely take things from actual [African and European magic], as well as [Native African] and the like. [And] cook it all up like it was a big ol' cobbler and serve it as a valid tradition"?

    Based on the postings from legit practitioners like yourself, Miss Cat, and the late Dr. E, Hoodoo had it first beginnings in a way that sounds a lot like what you've described. Isn't this mixing and matching of tips, tricks, and techniques how Hoodoo began in the first place: Foreigners "bringing magic" from their homelands and intermingling it with the magic of the Natives?

    If that is in fact the case, why was it acceptable to do it then, yet not acceptable now?

    If I am incorrect in any of this, Doc, please enlighten me. I think Hoodoo is a beautiful tradition. One in which the practitioners are so intimate with the art that you can literally feel the presence of the Spirit in their work. But, when I see statements made like yours, it makes me bewildered and bemused.

    Doc, would you please shed on me your light?

    Thank You & God Bless

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    1. Nope. You don't understand. And don't compare me to Cat or Dr. E. Hoodoo has nothing to do with Voodoo, Santeria or the like and real workers don't mix and match. Also, this will be the last I will probably reply to you as this is turning into an interview.

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  4. Doc,

    A thousand apologies. You're right. I don't understand, and I'm asking so many questions because I want to understand. I didn't intend for this to feel like an interview. Although, now that I'm reviewing our exchange of posts, I guess it does read like an interview. I'm really just trying to wrap my mind around all of this, and had hoped that your experience would be helpful.

    Also, excuse my comparisons. I meant no disrespect. I admire your work, as well as Cat and Dr. E, and only grouped you all together in an admirable context.

    If my questions are dis-pleasing, again, I do apologize; and wish to offer my sincere gratitude for your taking the time to respond to my questions, and maintaining this insightful blog.

    God Bless

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  5. I read you advice , voodoo is not, real but my great grann bass had a journal on spells handed down from her mother too my grandmother. I was not allows to ready until I turn 40. On that day I was and too put peac s together party I put together, my granny her mother was hunted down, before she was handed a curse was place on her say, Each first born would die, and it happen with my great granny bass fist son was started his first my great grandmother sent him too his first day of school he hug my great granny headed too school and my grandmother was watching before he made it too road,, and died.
    My grandmother had a son at age of 7 died, than my grandmother had all girls.
    When I was born first grandmother and her..
    I was taken too another with the book did something, and as long as my grandmother lives, I'm ok.but if she passes away, I will be in danger.

    What you advice on that

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  6. Yronwood, said that New Orleans Voodoo is a false religion and beliefs. New Orleans Voodoo was its own body and very similar to Haitian Vodou because of the French Colonist and the Cajuns had relations including slave trade and relations with the Haitian French slaves and French Creoles. Yes the people selling products in and around the French Quarter are fake and not real or truly are not experienced and don’t know Voodoo. The real practitioners are the French Creole families that are dying out due to new generations, interests and cultural and racial integration.

    Now lets talk about Catherine Yronwode, she is a wealthy white Jewish women that has a history, relations and still practicing Freemasonry, Ceremonial and Hermetic Magic and practices. No one knows and it’s hard find out where she learned hoodoo, but I in my own research found no proof of her stating or giving any information of where and who taught her “Hoodoo”. Yronwode started a business known as Lucky Mojo; A Church known as the Missionary Independent Spiritual Church, and also holds apprenticeships that require proof that you buy her products, labor working at her store and personal bias from her to teach. She also has people that have strong connections giving out lectures, workshops and reading around the country. These same people that are close to her have their own businesses, money and spread their “knowledge of many beliefs and magic” for a special price, that are not related or are from the culture and race of these traditions. (But they make one hell of a story).

    So I will end my comment with a final blow, Yronewode does not practice real Hoodoo and neither of her many students and friends (Some do) practice real traditions with real dedication and love. Families that are dying out with true traditions and practices, practice real hoodoo. She is just another businessperson selling for capital to seekers and tourists, just like the people she stated about in New Orleans in a forum.

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    She needs to stop mixing many beliefs into hoodoo (Like Quimbanda, Palo, Santeria, Voodoo, Vodou, Obeah and Curanderismo, etc.) you are confusing people and wrongfully having people teach them.

    P.P.S. She also sponsors/owns many radio pod casts and has her students write books under their name through her own publishing company.

    The magic you are practicing is European folk magic, with some Asian folk traditions and from Latino root and herb practices of shamanism.

    Don't spread false preaches for those that do practice and dedicate them selves truthfully will call you out.

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  7. @ S Fish,

    I'm sorry but your comment reeks of youthful naivety and ignorance.

    1. Cat Yronewode mainly practices what is called "urban hoodoo", which is a style of hoodoo that arose after WWII and which heavily uses items such as candles, oils, incense, powders, waters, books, roots and herbs, amulets, and other assorted magical items which have been bought from mail order companies or local stores which where then called hoodoo drugstores or candle shops. Cat also displays knowledge of "old school hoodoo", that is hoodoo that primarily uses items found in nature or easily obtained at local, non-magical stores. In the 1980s hoodoo began a steep decline and almost went extinct. There were many reasons for this. On one hand the rise of Wicca and Neopagans proved a threat as they attempted to steal the magic of hoodoo while discarding the Christian aspects. On the other hand the newer generations were being drawn to African Traditional Religions, such as IFA, Santeria, Lucumi, Voodou, etc., or else they were becoming more secular and scientific, dismissing hoodoo as superstition. Despite what sort of beef you have with Cat Yronwode, she deserves recognition for being the one to single-handedly revive hoodoo with her Lucky Mojo website. Cat is responsible for the modern revival of hoodoo online. So to claim that she doesn't practice real hoodoo is absurd and especially so because there are still countless people who where alive in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, who can vouch for her.

    2. New Orleans Voodoo is bull shit, period. I've posted multiple blogs going over itemized details of how it was invented by white people in the 1950s. The tradition of New Orleans and Louisiana is hoodoo, not Voodoo. I'm not going to repeat everything I'v written before just for your sake. So please take the time to actually read my blog posts. And by the way, New Orleans Voodoo has absolutely NOTHING to do with Haitian Voodou. They are in no way similar. Again, read my blog entries where I go point over point on how what is called New Orleans Voodoo is bull shit.

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  8. @ Doc Conjure

    I have visited and read your blogs for multiple reasons.

    You listed out exactly how she uses the name of Hoodoo for capital, with out me having to lift a finger.

    She gets remedies, worship and magic from ATR's and Latino beliefs. She does not even teach the complete formulas and actions of the remedies and practices.

    Please prove to me the vouches from people of the decades you have stated. Please do.

    Voodoo was a real thing like hoodoo and powwow was, but because of what I provided earlier and people like you and Yronwode it is being shaded and dying out.

    Voodoo from New Orleans does have similarities to Haitian Vodou don't lie. I don't practice Voodoo but I do dig and find research, and I also attend fets and have contact with a Mambo of Haitian Vodou. Plus I travel to Louisiana and know there's people from South Florida and even parts of Texas where the families and descendants still practice or even live the culture of Voodoo and French Creole life and style. I even met with a folks in Louisiana that are descendants of the Spanish/Canary colonists. I bet you didn't even know that some of these people have knowledge of a belief that was a mix of the indigenous beliefs from the Guanches of the CI’s and Spanish Catholicism that was practiced right in Louisiana. (But don't tell Yronewode she'll try to save that too).

    My family has been faithful to our beliefs and practices for generations and generations. Many people like Yronwode, Sallie Ann (that is a “Mambo” out of New Orleans) and their friends have gone to countries like mine to learn our beliefs by waving money to our poor family’s and peoples faces and to go back to their country and sell it. She is even located in California where she doesn’t even have to travel great distances to find a Mexican or Latino family to learn their folk beliefs from.

    I know that she does this because she even teaches and writes books of remedies from my family’s belief to create a false practice that she calls Hoodoo for profit.

    She is mixing hoodoo with Asian and Indian beliefs, which is just complete nonsense and bonkers.

    Cat has used her wealth to help her become an Image and make a business out of what she calls “Hoodoo”, and makes lectures, workshops and even apprenticeships for seekers to be fooled and blinded, and for other conman entrepreneurs to create their own capital and false preaches.

    I see the people she has relations with and has taught and does business with, she has made a cult of false practitioners and believers and many organizations and pod casts with the money she has.

    For this is the reason why my family and many other families of beliefs will not welcome or even talk to outsiders that are “interested”. She has many people that accomplice her that individually “practice” many belief systems and even saying they engage in magic to make the image that they are so full of mystical wisdom and power.

    Now you did at all even respond or mentioned the fact that before all this rubbish she has had a history in Ceremonial magic and is part of an order.

    She is a false prophet for profit, just like the fake people in New Orleans you and her keep stating. You people are going to kill our beliefs.

    P.S. Tell your friends and Momma Cat about it.

    - S Fish

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  9. @ S Fish

    You post some really wild and inaccurate information. Let me see if I can touch on this one by one.

    1. "She gets remedies, worship and magic from ATR's and Latino beliefs. She does not even teach the complete formulas and actions of the remedies and practices. "

    Hoodoo is neither an ATR nor a Latino belief. It it is not a religion and the only hispanic influence is extremely slight at best.

    2."Please prove to me the vouches from people of the decades you have stated. Please do."

    I for one. Every single person who was alive in the 60s, 70s, and 80s who remember hoodoo drugstores and candle shops that were not the Wicca shops and botanicas found today. They were stocked candles, oils, incense, powders, herbs, roots, books, amulets, etc. They began to die out as the owners died and the shops closed. They were replaced with Wiccan shops and botanicas. Lucky Mojo is a revival of a candle shop/mail order company.

    3."Voodoo from New Orleans does have similarities to Haitian Vodou don't lie. I don't practice Voodoo but I do dig and find research, and I also attend fets and have contact with a Mambo of Haitian Vodou. Plus I travel to Louisiana and know there's people from South Florida and even parts of Texas where the families and descendants still practice or even live the culture of Voodoo and French Creole life and style. I even met with a folks in Louisiana that are descendants of the Spanish/Canary colonists. I bet you didn't even know that some of these people have knowledge of a belief that was a mix of the indigenous beliefs from the Guanches of the CI’s and Spanish Catholicism that was practiced right in Louisiana. (But don't tell Yronewode she'll try to save that too)."

    It's clear as day you have no idea what Voodoo is as you are using it as a "kitchen sink" label. Everything and anything can be called voodoo in your book. This is just further evidence that what is called New Orleans Voodoo is bull shit. New Orleans Voodoo has only incredibly small surface similarities with Haitian Voodoo, such as working with the same spirits. However, they work differently, do different rituals, mix pantheons, do no perform animal sacrifice, and do a lot of made up bull shit which they claim is authentic and traditional but which was either pulled from a book or concocted from the fantasy prone mind of an alleged practitioner.

    4. "My family has been faithful to our beliefs and practices for generations and generations."

    But how can that be when you are just an anonymous, bull shitting, lying, Internet troll? If I had a dime for every idiot that claims they come a long tradition of (fill in the blank) then I would be extremely wealthy.

    5. "For this is the reason why my family and many other families of beliefs will not welcome or even talk to outsiders that are “interested”."

    Great. You aren't and never were part of this tradition to begin with. You are just a bull shitting, lying, Internet troll who has zero to offer anyone.

    6. "P.S. Tell your friends and Momma Cat about it."

    She's not my friend. I do not associate with her or anyone else from AIRR.

    This conversation is now closed. I will not allow any further responses from on this topic.

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